Showing posts with label Young Adult Fiction. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Young Adult Fiction. Show all posts

Friday, February 15, 2019

Tour Book Review: The Expedition, by Chris Babu



The Expedition
(The Initiation, Book 2)
Chris Babu
Hardcover, 304 pages
Permuted Press
December 4, 2018
Dystopian Fiction, Science Fiction
Young Adult Fiction


https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41593126-the-expedition




THEY SURVIVED THE INITIATION. NOW THE REAL TEST BEGINS.

Drayden and his friends thought nothing could be harder than the Initiation. Little did they know it had only been a warmup for the challenge that lay ahead.

With New America’s situation dire, Drayden and the pledges venture out into the unexplored world outside the walls, escorted by a team of elite Guardians. The group seeks to contact another civilization in what remains of Boston, but Drayden has secret goals of his own.

Dangers abound in the real world, including Aeru, the deadly superbug that wiped out humanity. While they battle the elements of a desolate landscape, a power struggle emerges within their ranks. The Guardians seem to be carrying out a covert mission themselves, and the quest turns everything they thought they knew about New America upside down.





Note
I received a complimentary copy of this 
novel from TLC Book Tours. 
I greatly enjoyed it, and all opinions are my own.


It's not often that I read a dystopian/science fiction novel as good as this one! From beginning to end, Babu engages and keeps the reader's interest. I was totally riveted!

As the novel opens, readers find themselves in New America, which was introduced in the first book of the series -- The Initiation. This is what's left of one section of the United States, after a worldwide bacterial epidemic (the bug is named "Aeru") wipes out most of the world's population. This includes large sections of the U.S.

New America is concentrated in Manhattan,which was part of what used to be known as New York City. The inhabitants of New America live in an enclave surrounded by a wall that protects them from Aeru. The "government", if such it may be called, is in the hands of The Bureau. (I think this group might be a reference to the FBI. I'm not entirely sure about this, since I haven't read the first book. It sounds plausible, though.)

There's a Premier Holst, who runs The Bureau, and a VERY unsavory character named Harris Von Brooks, who is the Premier's Chief of Staff. He is also in charge of the expedition referred to in the book's title. 

The Bureau basically runs the lives of people living in New America. There's a place called "The Palace", where Bureau members and other elite individuals live, while the rest of the population resides in "the Dorms", which are not pleasant dwellings at all.

The whole thrust of the plot is an expedition to Boston. This is a Bureau project, to which Drayden, as well as three other teens -- Catrice, his girlfriend, Sidney, and Charlie -- have been forcibly assigned. The purpose of the mission is to find out whether Boston is deserted, or might be a refuge for other Aeru survivors. New America is in trouble, with dwindling food supplies, and is reaching out for help.  In fact, The Bureau has resorted to the horrible practice of exiling random people, because of the problem of not having enough food to feed the entire population.

In regards to this, I'm including a very interesting, yet chilling quote which includes a nod to Star Trek TOS (The Original Series), as well as the subsequent movies created from it. I was very happy to recognize Babu as a fellow Trekker!

"The Bureau's policy was barbaric and unfair, but it wasn't illogical. The city didn't have enough resources to support the population anymore. They believed they had a choice between exiling a few people or allowing everyone to die. It was the essence of the philosophy of utilitarianism, which his original mentor, Mr. Kale, had taught them about in school. It also echoed the words of Spock, from the one Star Trek movie played in the Dorms -- The Wrath of Khan. He said the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few. The red-and-green-hats challenge in the Initiation was even designed to drive the message home. 'All might be done, but for one', was how they had phrased it. They'd said a group's well-being superseded any individual's." (Chapter 6, pg. 56)

So this is a society driven by harsh realities, as well as by a ruthless ruling group, led by a premier, who will not hesitate to achieve its ends by justifying the means. There's an overall feeling of suspicion, as undercurrents of unrest flow beneath the whole society. There are cameras everywhere, and Drayden even wonders if The Bureau has bugs hidden in people's apartments. Although I have not read the novel 1984, I was immediately reminded of "Big Brother". That was because the concept this entails has become a well-known motif in our contemporary society, thanks to the author of that book -- George Orwell.

I immediately found myself liking three of the four sixteen-year-old protagonists -- especially Drayden, who is a math and science genius, and the main focus of the story. In spite of his superior intelligence, he remains a very down- to-earth guy, with insecurities and vulnerabilities. And he's sensitive, too; he has doubts about his girlfriend's love for him, as he desperately wants her to return his own love for her. He's also a very brave guy who doesn't back down from a challenge.

The other three teens are obviously of secondary importance, although each has a role to play in the book. I didn't like Catrice, as she blew hot and cold in her relationship with Drayden. Sidney was great, though; she was loyal to a fault, and always ready for action! As for Charlie, he was a blast as the group's clown! His jokes often made me roll my eyes, though. Still, he was perfect comic relief!

These four teens have gone through something called "The Initiation", which is some sort of survival test. Again, I have not read the first book, which gives the details of this test. Babu does provide readers with enough hints about it, however, so that we can get the general idea: it's a combination of brainteasers and physical challenges.

Survivors of this initiation are few and far between, so it's clear that it's a very dangerous, challenging test. Drayden and his friends are thus viewed as heroes by the inhabitants of New America. Unfortunately, this means that The Bureau has chosen them for the dangerous trip to Boston. They are considered expendable, which is ironic, considering their heroic status.

The teens are accompanied on the trip by four elite Guardians -- highly trained soldiers in the service of The Bureau. One of them, an eighteen-year-old named Eugene, immediately befriends Drayden and his companions. I really liked Eugene! He was not only strong, which is, of course, a requirement for a Guardian, but also handsome, charming, and smart, to boot. However, he did seem to be "too good to be true", and I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop in regards to him.

The plot is full of twists and turns, as the author introduces other elements into the story, such as a conspiracy against The Bureau, and Drayden's secret search for information on what happened to his mother, who had been exiled by someone in The Bureau. The action is exciting, fast-paced, and full of drama, as a power struggle emerges between Drayden and his friends, and the Guardians. 

I LOVED the world-building! Babu has created a very believable setting for this novel. Like all dystopias, this one has an overarching feeling of doom-and-gloom. The descriptions of partially and totally destroyed bridges in the area of New York were vivid, and I felt so sad that The Bureau had destroyed them, in order to quarantine what remained of New York City, thus preventing the spread of the disease. They also had vaccines, though. But the destruction, whether partial or whole, of the NYC bridges was unfortunately necessary.

Interestingly, Babu has invented some new slang terms, such as "shkat", "chotch", and "flunk". The first one seems to have a meaning similar to "s--t", while the second one apparently means "idiot". The third is perhaps similar to the Yiddish term "schmuck", which means "idiot" as well.

The time period of the novel is not specified. I imagine Babu did that in his first book. However, one does get the feeling, in this second book, that it's not that far into the future -- perhaps about 50 years or so ahead of our own time. 

Now I'm eager to read The Initiation, in order to find out how these four characters (especially Drayden) mastered the challenges of the test! 

This is a well-crafted, intellectually compelling novel that also includes a lot of action, very engaging characters, and a futuristic world on the brink of destruction. The fact that it's a Young Adult novel should not deter older adults from reading it, as it deals with very important themes that fuse politics with philosophy. 

This is not only a GREAT addition to the Young Adult Fiction genre, but to the dystopian sub-genre of science fiction! KUDOS to Chris Babu for having created such a riveting book! I hope this novel, as well as its predecessor, will hit movie theaters soon! I would LOVE to see both!

MY RATING:



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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36334133-the-initiation








Chris Babu grew up in North Haven, CT, playing soccer and the violin in his free time. After devouring The Shining under the covers with a flashlight when he was eight, Chris was hooked on fiction. He’s always had a thing for young adult books. But he’s also a major science and math nerd—physics being his favorite—and he has a math degree from MIT.
For nineteen years, he worked as a bond trader on Wall Street, riding the subway to and from work every day. He traded mortgage-backed securities for Bank of America and then Deutsche Bank, where he eventually ran the MBS trading desk. Now Chris writes full-time, always with his trusted assistant Buddy, a 130-pound Great Dane, who can usually be found on his lap. They split their time between New York City and the east end of Long Island. Their omnipresence at home drives his wife Michelle and daughter Lily crazy. 

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Wednesday, February 13, 2019

Can't Wait Wednesday No. 89: Finale, by Stephanie Garber





Welcome to "Can't Wait Wednesday"!


This is a weekly event hosted by
Tressa @ Wishful Endings!
This is also where we excited book bloggers showcase future releases we're eagerly anticipating! 
For more information, 
please click HERE.


There's also a Linky widget, so participating blogs can link up!




Here's my choice for this week!



 Finale
(Caraval, Book 3)
Stephanie Garber
Hardcover,  416 pages
Flatiron Books
   May 7, 2019 
 Fantasy, Young Adult Fiction


https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40381392-finale?ac=1&from_search=true






Welcome, welcome to Finale, the third and final book in the #1 New York Times bestselling Caraval series!
Welcome, welcome to Caraval...all games must come to an end.

It’s been two months since the last Caraval concluded, two months since the Fates have been freed from an enchanted deck of cards, two months since Tella has seen Legend, and two months since Legend claimed the empire’s throne as his own. Now, Legend is preparing for his official coronation and Tella is determined to stop it. She believes her own mother, who still remains in an enchanted sleep, is the rightful heir to the throne.

Meanwhile, Scarlett has started a game of her own. She’s challenged Julian and her former fiancé, Count Nicolas d’Arcy, to a competition where the winner will receive her hand in marriage. Finaly, Scarlett feels as if she is in complete control over her life and future. She is unaware that her mother’s past has put her in the greatest danger of all.

Caraval is over, but perhaps the greatest game of all has begun―with lives, empires, and hearts all at stake. There are no spectators this time: only those who will win...and those who will lose everything.
. .






 Why I can't wait for this one!

I own a copy of the first volume in this series, titled Caraval. Of course, I need to read it, and then move on to the second volume, and then this one!! 
This series is supposed to be AWESOME!! 




For more information on this author, you can check out her
Goodreads profile HERE!





What do you think of my
choice this week? 
Please leave a comment and
let me know!



Friday, February 8, 2019

Buddy Read Update No. 4/Wrap Up: The Hate U Give, by Angie Thomas





The Hate U Give
Angie Thomas
Hardcover, 444 pages
Balzer + Bray
February 28, 2017
African-American Fiction,Coming-of-Age, Contemporary Fiction, Diverse Reads,
Social Justice, Young Adult Fiction



https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32075671-the-hate-u-give





A three-time winner of Goodreads Choice Awards

Sixteen-year-old Starr Carter moves between two worlds: the poor neighborhood where she lives and the fancy suburban prep school she attends. The uneasy balance between these worlds is shattered when Starr witnesses the fatal shooting of her childhood best friend Khalil at the hands of a police officer. Khalil was unarmed.

Soon afterward, his death is a national headline. Some are calling him a thug, maybe even a drug dealer and a gangbanger. Protesters are taking to the streets in Khalil’s name. Some cops and the local drug lord try to intimidate Starr and her family. What everyone wants to know is: what really went down that night? And the only person alive who can answer that is Starr.

But what Starr does—or does not—say could upend her community. It could also endanger her life.


********************

This buddy read is presented by 
Maria @ A Night's Dream of Books
and
Barb @ Booker T's Farm!!


For this week's post, 
we both read Chapters 22 to 26,
which brought us to the end of the book.

Be sure to visit Barb's blog to read
her half of our "chat"! 
You can access her post HERE!!


Warning!!
This post, as well as that of my fellow
buddy reader, may contain spoilers!
Read at your own risk!!


This is our last buddy read post..... Yep, this is our fourth and final week! I can't BELIEVE how FAST the time went by! 

I have felt a little sad each time I've come to the end of a buddy read, too, although I haven't done that many of them.

I feel especially sad about coming to the end of this particular book. The characters were SO vividly drawn, the plot SO intense, I actually felt as if I were watching the movie already! I wanted to get into the book and give Starr a BIG HUG, as well as dap! I wanted to stay with her family and share their lives for some time. Heck, I wanted to IMMERSE myself in their world! 

Of course, I will also miss this back-and-forth question format with Barb! But not for long, as we're already planning our next buddy read!! We will reveal our plans when we firm everything up, and then we'll share with all of you, our readers and visitors!

Our very last posts will be our individual reviews of this book. The dates are tentative at this point, but we'll have these reviews published as soon as we're able to. Please refer to my Launch Post for the weekly schedule. You can find that post HERE.


And now for the last week's questions....

Barb: What are your feelings on Starr and basically the rest of her family hiding the fact that she was dating Chris from Mav?

Maria: I wasn't very comfortable with it. However, Mav was very protective of Starr. I got the impression he didn't think she should have been dating ANYONE, since she was sixteen, and that's too young for a girl to be dating, in his opinion. He wasn't too happy, either,  when he found out that his daughter was dating 'a white boy', especially in light of the Khalil case.

The irony here is that Starr herself was somewhat conflicted about dating Chris, although thankfully, she resolved this by the end of the book.

While I didn't like it much, I can see why the family acted this way. They figured that Mav would get all bent out of shape if he ever found out. And he did find out! Lol. 

Barb: In the end, DeVante decides to turn evidence in against King. Do you think doing so will make much of a difference? A lot of times, even when arrested, gang leaders manage to keep a stranglehold on the community. Do you think DeVante will ever be safe?

Maria: I was totally surprised by this, considering the fact that King had been looking for DeVante, and his goons finally found him and beat him up. I don't think he will ever really be safe, unless he moves to another city, maybe. 

And you're right, gangs do have a way of keeping control of the communities they're in. They do this even from jail! In this case, too, there are other gangs in Garden Heights that work with the King Lords. So I really don't think that DeVante's decision to turn witness will do much good, in the long run. 

Barb: And speaking of DeVante, I watched the movie Saturday and he doesn't factor into it at all. Do you think they left an important piece of the puzzle out and can you imagine this story without him in it?

Maria: Oh, you've already watched the movie? I haven't, but I did look it up on Wikipedia. That's where I found out that DeVante was not included in the plot. I even searched the list of actors included in the article, looking for the one who had played this character. Of course, I didn't find him.....

I was very disappointed to see that the makers of the movie had eliminated DeVante. I love this character. He's a good guy who, like Khalil, did what he did in order to look out for his family. 

I really enjoyed the relationship that developted between DeVante and Starr's family. Her dad and uncle became surrogate fathers and friends to him, helping him as much as possible. I'm going to miss that in the movie, if I do decide to watch it.

I also totally enjoyed the friendship between DeVante and Chris! I loved it when they gave each other dap, and played video games together. That, too, I will miss in the film....

Last but not least, I also liked that DeVante was a good friend to Starr. At first, I thought he was a bit condescending to her, but later, I saw that I had been wrong. He actually became another Khalil for her. I felt this was a very nice touch on the part of the author. 

Well, you know how it is -- most of the time, the book is better than the movie! 

Barb: Starr, Seven and Chris didn't hesitate to jump into the protests which placed them right in the middle of the riots going on. Do you feel they were right in doing so? 

Maria: Well, they didn't really want to do anything violent, and they didn't. Starr, Seven and DeVante (SO sad he's not in the movie....I have to say it again), wanted to show their solidarity with their fellow African-Americans, so I think they felt they had a duty to be present, even if they didn't participate in the violence and the looting that went on. And it ended up that Starr became the one who actively participated -- not in violence, but in speaking out in front of everyone. I thought she was GREAT! Gone was her fear. It was replaced by outrage that justice had not been done.

As for Chris, I LOVED that he went right along with the rest of them! He, too, was outraged about the outcome of the murder case, especially since it had an adverse impact on Starr. And then, too, he and DeVante had become friends. So, by the time this part of the novel came up, I was totally rooting for Chris being Starr's boyfriend! It really took guts for him to participate in this with Starr, her brother, and friend, as, being the only white person around, he could have gotten hurt. YAY for Chris!!!! 
 

Thanks for the GREAT, thought-provoking questions, Barb, not only this final week, but also during the three previous weeks! It's been so interesting and fun to have participated in my second buddy read with you! I can't wait for the next one to start!! (Hey, maybe we can move it up a little!) 

Blog visitors and regular readers, be sure to visit Barb's blog (see the link above) to see how she answered my questions for this last week! And.......stay tuned as well for our reviews!! 




What do you all think?
Have we piqued your curiosity
about this book?
Be sure to let us know!
Don't forget to visit Barb's blog
to get her side of this "chat"!!
 
 





Friday, February 1, 2019

Buddy Read Update No. 3: The Hate U Give, by Angie Thomas





The Hate U Give
Angie Thomas
Hardcover, 444 pages
Balzer + Bray
February 28, 2017
African-American Fiction,Coming-of-Age, Contemporary Fiction, Diverse Reads,
Social Justice, Young Adult Fiction



https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32075671-the-hate-u-give





A three-time winner of Goodreads Choice Awards

Sixteen-year-old Starr Carter moves between two worlds: the poor neighborhood where she lives and the fancy suburban prep school she attends. The uneasy balance between these worlds is shattered when Starr witnesses the fatal shooting of her childhood best friend Khalil at the hands of a police officer. Khalil was unarmed.

Soon afterward, his death is a national headline. Some are calling him a thug, maybe even a drug dealer and a gangbanger. Protesters are taking to the streets in Khalil’s name. Some cops and the local drug lord try to intimidate Starr and her family. What everyone wants to know is: what really went down that night? And the only person alive who can answer that is Starr.

But what Starr does—or does not—say could upend her community. It could also endanger her life.


********************

This buddy read is presented by 
Maria @ A Night's Dream of Books
and
Barb @ Booker T's Farm!!


For this week's post, 
we both read Chapters 15 to 21.

Be sure to visit Barb's blog to read
her half of our "chat"! 
You can access her post HERE!!


Warning!!
This post, as well as that of my fellow
buddy reader, may contain spoilers!
Read at your own risk!!


Well, things have REALLY heated up (cough, cough, Barb, hint, wink......) in this book!! I can see why it's been praised so much!! Again I have to say it -- this is truly a RIVETING read!! Thomas has created characters that you can really resonate with, to the point that you FEEL like part of their family!! To be quite honest, I want MORE of them all! (Well, except for Hailey and Officer Cruise. UGH.)

So now I'm going to answer this third week's questions from Barb. She, too, will be answering my own questions. The link to her post is above.

We both had some trouble coming up with questions for this week's update, for some reason. However, I think our questions ended up being GREAT! "All's well that ends well", as The Bard so wisely said! Lol.

Next week, we will publish our final post, with the last set of questions, and a wrap up. 

Our very last post will be a review of the book. Please refer to our Launch Post for the weekly schedule. You can find that post HERE.


Barb: The relationship between Starr and Hailey finally comes to blows (literally), and before you know it, Seven has also jumped in. I can't believe Hailey commented that Khalil would have probably ended up dead sometime anyway! How do you feel about the incident and how Starr's family handled it? Would you have done the same thing?

Maria: ABSOLUTELY I would have punched Hailey, too!! She totally deserved it! Her remarks were callous, cruel, and racist. Starr just couldn't take it anymore, ESPECIALLY in light of Hailey's continual denials that she was, in fact, a racist. It's just SO infuriating when someone says they're not racist, when all the evidence points to the fact that they ARE. Also, Hailey showed a total disregard for Starr's feelings, since Starr was present at the scene of Khalil's murder, and was in anguish over it. I know that violence is not the best course of action, but, in this case, Hailey did have it coming. Some "friend" she was to Starr!

I LOVE Seven, by the way!! He went to his sister's defense at once, and whooped Remy's butt.  I always wished I had a big brother to look out for me....

As for how Starr's family handled the situation, I liked that, too. They were feeling the same frustration and anger Starr was feeling over the grand jury's decision. They understood exactly how she felt, so they weren't too hard on her. If this fight had been over something trivial, things would have been different. But this was a VERY important issue.

Barb: We get to see Starr and her friends go to Prom. Chris is very distant and Starr learns that he is upset she was not honest with him about being the "witness" everyone is talking about in Khalil's shooting. If you had to choose sides, do you believe Starr or Chris had more valid points and why?

Maria: Actually, I don't think I can take sides. They each had their valid points. That said, my first thought was that, instead of sulking, Chris could have asked Starr straight out why she hid this from him, why she apparently felt that she couldn't trust him. At first, I also thought his sulking was immature. In a relationship, people sometimes have to talk things over. This sulking thing only made the situation worse. On the other hand, guys are not comfortable talking about their emotions. (I know this from experience, lol.) So Chris probably found it difficult to start such a conversation with Starr.

By the way, you were right -- Chris is PERFECT for Starr! I'm glad Angie Thomas had them stay together. He's SO sweet to Starr! And he's totally committed to their relationship. He wants to share everything with her. He's just GREAT!! So I can forgive him for sulking. In fact, that shows he truly does care for Starr. If not, he wouldn't have felt hurt by her not opening up about being "the witness" everyone was talking about.

As for Starr, I can understand her reluctance to tell Chris that she was, in fact, "the witness". Although she and Chris have a very special relationship, and do love each other, Starr did feel that, because Chris was white, she might have somehow been "betraying" her own race. She was all torn up about this feeling, too, because she did know how Chris felt about her. 

I think Starr would have eventually told her boyfriend that she had been present when Khalil was murdered. But she was afraid that EVERYONE at school would find out. I'm glad she finally found the courage to go ahead and tell him, as well as finally make the decision to speak out.

Barb: Starr finally faces the media and I feel that her interview goes very well overall. However, toward the end of it, she goes off-script from what she and Ofrah had planned, and puts some truths out there. Starr is constantly battling over if she is being brave or not, but I think she definitely was in this case. Do you think she did the right thing?

Maria: For SURE! She was no longer afraid to speak out. More accurately, her anger at the injustice of it all overcame her fear. 

The long, horrible history of racism in this country is something that African-Americans have to deal with on a daily basis. Even after the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act were passed, thanks to the Civil Rights Movement, racism did not go away. Instead, it became more subtle. Black people applying for good jobs were told things like: "Unfortunately, another person has already been hired, but we'd like to thank you for applying." The same thing happened regarding housing: "Yes, the apartment was available, but just this morning, someone came and rented it. They've already signed the lease."

Recently, racism has come out into the open again. It's a VERY UGLY thing. Besides, people still remember the Trayvon Martin case. Black Lives Matter was founded (and inspired Thomas in the writing of this novel) because of this and other, similar cases. So Starr felt that "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH." 

Barb: So we get to celebrate Seven's 18th birthday and people from both of Starr's worlds attend. During the party, Seven's mom Iesha shows up and Seven goes off on her. Do you think he was justified in doing so? In another reference to the party, do you find it weird that Kenya is always referring to Seven as HER brother when he is in fact Starr's half-brother as well? Why do you think she does so?

Maria: I can certainly feel for Seven..... The fact that he was the product of the affair between Maverick and Iesha must have made him feel that he was "a mistake". And, incredibly, Lisa, Mav's wife, has been more of a mother to him than his biological mother. 

I really like and admire Lisa, by the way. A LOT of women would have rejected Seven because his father cheated on them, but not Lisa. She really does have a big heart! 

As for Iesha, I have VERY mixed feelings about her. She dresses like a you-know-what, and she slept with a married man. But she has to endure King's beatings, so I kinda feel sorry for her. I'm wondering, too, if there isn't another side to the story, if her apparent neglect of Seven was in fact an attempt to protect him from King. That might be the real reason she put him out of her house. Of course, Seven wouldn't understand that his mother may actually have been trying to protect him from her husband. 

I don't think Seven should have acted the way he did, right in front of all those people, but, like in the situation with Starr and Hailey, there's only so much that people can take. You tolerate things up to a point, and then you explode. He didn't plan on acting that way. 

As for Kenya calling Seven "her" brother, I think that's because she has resented Starr for years, really. I just get that feeling, from all the little digs she has thrown at Starr for the longest time. Her attitude toward Starr begins to change after Starr finally decides to speak out.
 

Thanks for the GREAT, thought-provoking questions, Barb!!  <3  :)


Blog visitors and regular readers, come on over to each of our blogs next Friday for the last set of questions and the wrap upl! Stay tuned as well for our reviews!! 




What do you all think?
Have we piqued your curiosity
about this book?
Be sure to let us know!
Don't forget to visit Barb's blog
to get her side of this "chat"!!